you can talk about all of these candidates that were just unelectable in general elections. they are seen by many republicans in the senate and across the country as basically the creations of jim demint. >> right. now, christine o'donnell is the perfect example of the self-enflicked wound -- self-inflicted wound. murdock, aiken and also sharon engel he never backed in the primary. many people kind of remember it that way. tech nextally, he didn't -- owe technically, he didn't back those candidates. there were a number he backed in 2010 and 2012 didn't make it. you know, the demint people wi note many of the candidates were seen as the establish. candidates also didn't when in those seekleles. and if you do look, if you keep score in terms of which askeds from the establish him and from the tea party law, i think, you can point at some blame in both direction. it's not as one seemed as it often seems. >> very good. >> jonathan strong, thank you very much. glad to have you on this show. >> boy, this battle is rageing in kentucky right now. >> fascinating on a number of levels